36 Responses to The Babbler #11: Let’s talk about the Travon Martin case (1st posted on 5/30/12)

The internet is a wonderful place. Freedom of speech is live and well here. There are sites you could go to for news and money, to porn and fat chicks. My favorite part of the www. is the comments. Randomly go to a site and read the comments threads and I’ll bet you’ll laugh or get mad or just shake your head in dismay. So below are 36 responses to The Babbler #11 where I talk about the travon Martin case. This first appeared on christopherreel.wordpress.com (the babbler still appears there even though it has it’s own site.)

  1. 1.                              christopherreel

Reblogged this on The Genius Papers.

April 2, 2012 at 1:33 am

Your facts are dead wrong. You should be ashamed of yourself, there’s a 911 call made by a neighbor and the person screaming in horror is a tormented boy after being overpowered by an over sized grown ass man. Travon screamed before George shot him execution style. Being suspended is a normal part of being a teenage. I was suspended when I was in high school, if something happens to me will someone bring that up. Travon was a lite weigth kid, Goerge or what ever his name is an overgrown man. You really think that there was a real shuffle? Why would a kid scream like that if he wasn’t in pain? He shot Travon after he screamed in horror. George’s life wasn’t in danger. He had full control and power. He had power over a black kid and there’s nothing anyone could do about it. He thought that he would walk.

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April 2, 2012 at 11:29 am

I’m not sure if your talking about the Babbler or 1 of the comments but if you are talking about the Babbler you need to re-read the post. and yes I thing it could have been a fight and travon could of won that fight especially if he was scared. Fear makes one fight better.

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  • debc

May 29, 2012 at 3:15 pm

Your so called lite weight kid weighed 175 lbs and was over 6 feet tall. You are confusing the picture of a 12 year old to a 17 year old.

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  1. 2.                             Thinker Belle 

Great post! It would be great if they’d focus on Zimmerman’s tact and approach,-which was uncalled for and led to Martin acting more suspiciously- than the race issue.

So what if he had even burglarized a local residence? Had he been polite, then he could have followed him longer and known for sure what he was doing there. He wasn’t carry a large bag of stuff from what he could see at the current time.

Making someone act suspiciously could endanger their life.

March 31, 2012 at 11:06 pm

That’s a pretty smart way to look at it.

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  1. 3.                             Yvonne St. Clair

Didn’t anybody read about the white, young, clean cut couple that in 2007 inKnoxville,Tennesseewere carjacked by 4 Negro males and 1 Negro female. Took them to a house, raped them both all night, poured bleach down her throat, cut her breasts off, inserted large objects in her mouth, vagina and anus. After raping him, they cut his privates off, drug him down to a railroad track, poured lighter fluid on him and set him on fire. They finally dumped her upside down in a garbage can. They said the ” they cooked a big breakfast at dawn.” Hardly anyone has heard about this….why?? No one is marching for these college kids…..why not???? I am getting very sick of this.. Am I the only one? Yvonne

April 2, 2012 at 2:05 am

The outrage and the protest was for the fact that Zimmerman wasn’t even arrested, put your racial bias aside and have a little compassion for a dead kid whose parents are still greiving because he was an articulate charming kid with a bright future. What you said about Travon’s case, would you be happy if you were in there situation? Good souls only happens to good people!

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  1. 4.                             christopherreel

Mrs. St. Clair
I 1st like to thank you for reading The Babbler. And I must ask you, are you from the past? I mean, like did you get into a time machine or something? Because no one use the term Negro anymore.
To be honest I believe you missed the part in the latest Babbler when I said take race out of situation for a moment and let’s look at this as right or wrong. But since you want to bring race up I could go back and forth with you about hate crimes against, as you said, the Negro. However I will not because wrong is wrong no matter the race, gender, or any other pointless reason to hate someone that’s different than you.

The reason why the case with the college students may have not went viral as the did the Travon Martin case, because (although those 4 or 5 people were wrong with what they had done) they were arrested.
I am sick of a lot of things but I will never get sick of speaking and writing against injustice no matter the race of the right or the wrong.

  1. 5.                             Hammerhead7

Zimmerman opened up a can of worms the moment he engaged after he was told not to.

This was completely preventable.

http://hammerheadcombatsystems.org/2012/03/24/the-discretionary-mindset/

April 2, 2012 at 2:12 am

You know them well that he went after that boy because he saw an opportunity to kill a black kid. He thought that he was going to walk because he probably behaved racially before and he got away with it. I am glad that his parents spoke up and fought for answers. Some people don’t speak up, police officers are engaging in the same behavior young black kids; just like Zimmerman.

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  1. 6.                             bradford Reed

911 Operators are not police officers and you have no obligation to obey them. So Mr Zimmerman did not violate the law when he decided to follow Trayvon through his neighborhood. He as a law abiding citizen is allowed to carry a handgun if he wanted to. You don’t have to be in the Neighborhood watch to watch your neighborhood! We as citizens have every right to protect our communities it is the criminal element that wants us to cower in fear and do nothing.

April 2, 2012 at 1:58 am

Reality check sir, a neighbor’s 911 call reveals that Travon screamed in horror. The smaller size kid could not hurt that oversize grown man. Travon was not acting suspeciously, he was walking to go see his Dad. Like every other kid, he a bag filled with candy and juice in his hand on his way to see his Dad, very innocent right. As a black person, I know that there’s certain neighborhood that I might be in danger if I go to because of the racial issue. This could happen to me too, bcause it happened to someone so young. He was not a juvenal like the previous comment almost pointed out. He got suspended from school big deal, it happened to all of us.

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April 3, 2012 at 10:45 am

No amount of law can make bad tactics and bad tactical decision-making good.

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  • Anonymous

April 3, 2012 at 5:20 pm

Hill33
So you put the shoe on the other foot and your child was gun down like he was even if it was self defense would you be talking that bullshit that you are saying now be honest or a cousin or freind would it be the same word that you are saying now. I dont understand the things that we as People think that we have a right to take anyone’s life at all we are not GOD and this tragedy is the issue that needs to be brought to justiceand not only that we as black sisters and brothers need to stop killing one another and pull together as one so I wonder would that hot ass air come out of your mouth if it was one of your love one’s.

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April 3, 2012 at 11:36 pm

He can not call it self defense if his life wasn’t in any danger. He hunted the kid like a dog because he was walking through a neighborhood so he could go see his dad. The neighborhood isn’t a private gated community, Trayvon had every right to be there. You are a piece of shit for saying that he didn’t have a right to be there. He didn’t break the law by not listening to the 911 operator but sure did broke the law by killing an innocent kid. I don’t care if he was suspended from school. He was going to see his father and his father was going to deal with him. I come across some of the most racist whites and hispanics. I know how they operate. You most be one too, so is Geraldo Revera. He was denfending hispanics because Zimmerman guy is hispanics. Very selfish and lack of compassion for another human being. His opology was fake and calculated. I find that very disrespectful to the greiving parents.

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  • debc

May 29, 2012 at 3:19 pm

again, Missbellenoire, I say: look up a picture of Travon at 17. He is a much larger boy than the press is showing in his picture as a 12 year old. (And I am not saying he should have been killed – I leave that to the courts). His father also stated that it was not Travon that was screaming that night. It was not his voice on the tape.

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May 30, 2012 at 8:29 am

The both of you are missing the point. it doesn’t matter what size the kid was. This would not had happened if the guy had stopped following Travon when the 9-1-1 operator told him.

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  • common sense 

May 30, 2012 at 10:01 am

A 911 operator is not a police officer, nor did or could he tell Zimmerman to stop following Trayvon. The narrative of Trayvon being some lovable innocent pre k child that the wackadoo missbelle and her ilk has bought hook line and sinker, has been pretty much debunked. If, and one again I say if all ofZimmerman’s accounts of what happened are as true as they appear, I know why Trayvon is dead. While beating on Zimmerman, Trayvon put his hand over his mouth with one hand and went after his gun with another telling Zimmerman that he was going to die tonight.

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May 30, 2012 at 4:18 pm

Both missbelle and the people who disagree with her are all part of the worse part of americawhich is the people who still think in black and white.
@common sense we know that a 911 operator is not a police officer but the conversation was aired on tv and the world heard the operator tell him to stop following the other guy. So please shut up. thank you.

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  1. 7.                             shauna 

Now I find some of these comments very interesting! The fact that George Zimmerman. Is being referenced as a white is ridiculous! This man clearly has African heritage! I felt the need to state this because Americans are big on race. While I love my Hispanic brow and sis they have just as many issues with gang violence and teenage pregnancy

  • Anonymous

April 6, 2012 at 10:26 pm

Girl please, he does not look African American. He look like the type of Hispanics who think they’re white, some do think they’re white even if they are dark skin. You can’t argue with that. I want to appologize for my behave and my language online because I let my emotions get the best of me. Some of the replies to my comments were nasty so I fired back. I will not say aything else except that I think that Zimmerman should pay for what he did. Adios mi Amigas!

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  1. 8.                             shauna 

Lets keep it real! The Hispanic population has serious community issues just like the black community!

  • Anonymous

April 3, 2012 at 5:21 pm

Hill33
So are you saying this is why he had a right to do what he did or why he did what he did?

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  1. 9.                             christopherreel 

I respect all of the feed back but people are still looking at this only as a race thing when really it’s right v.s wrong. If Travon did not have a gun but was shot to dead the shooter was wrong. And the witness that heard the the two said that they could not tell whom was the one screaming. I do not care as much as everyone else seems to care about the two race. I could go on and on about this but I said what I needed to in the Babbler.

  • Anonymous

April 3, 2012 at 5:23 pm

Hill33
I agree with you cause you take away the race and he still has no paapers or anything at all to take anyones life

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  1. 10.                         Walt

very interesting perspective

  1. 11.                          Mr. Kleeeen

I am glad to see that freedom of speech is still alive in this country courtesy of “The Constitution of theUnited States”. This document upon which all US law is benchmarked is extremely important in this case. I am glad we have trained lawyers, courts, and judges that will determine justice based on facts of the case and not emotion. I am not faulting anyone in this forum, to the contrary, we are all human and thus cannot escape emotion. However, without our justice system, people would be “lynched” at the whim of the “MOB” or those who can control or influence the “MOB”. What is clear is that a child has died and that is always tragic. What is unlcear here is everything else that happened that night. When a complete timeline of events of the night in question have been reported by the lead investigators (theUSJustice Department now I believe), we will then have the facts put before us in a coherent manner in which to determine, according to Florida Law, whether or not this man should be charged with a crime. If he is not charged, then justice may perhaps take the form of a challenge to the constitutionality ofFlorida’s “Stand your ground law”. But, for now, as it stands, that is the law that this man is using for his defense.

As for those who say “take race out of this scenario for a moment”. I am of the opinion that when a black person is part of the scenario, you cannot take race out because it is inherent and the scenario would be entireley different with other races or skin color. If it was a chinese boy, perhaps Zimmerman may not even think he was suspicous and none of this would have even happened, or maybe it would have. Either way race is inherent, and we should not try and fool ourselves to think otherwise. That said, if you took out other factors for a moment what would be the outcome. For example, take age out of the equation. Let’s say that it was a 70 year old man and not a youth, what may have happened? Let’s take gender out, what if it was a girl, what may have happened? The point here is that you cannot take anything that happened here out of the equation, because they are part of the facts of the case and are, indeed, inherent.

I beg of people to be concerned, pay attention, demand justice, but reserve judgement until the whole, unfiltered story is present in a factually based and coherent manner.

  1. 12.                         Shoney 

Very well said,we all should be concerned and pay attention and reserve judgement until the whole unfiltered story is presented, but it is hard when you have listened to those tapes. The tapes alone are just so graphic. Zimmerman was so aggresive.

April 4, 2012 at 1:07 am

He wasn’t just agressive, he performed an execution. He killed an unarmed kid because he wanted. He said the boy looked black to the 911 operator. Obviously the fact that the kid was black, was an issue for his racist punk ass.

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  • common sense

April 5, 2012 at 7:37 pm

You are obviously an ignorant moron. NBC edited the 911 call to make it seem like it was all about race. Secondly, he said effin cold, not coon, CNN broke that story. George was in constant contact with 911, hardly what someone wanting to kill someone would want. According to his girlfriend Tray outran the out of shape Zimmerman. I don’t see how the 17 yr old 6’3 160 lb football player could have been caught by a portly asthmatic 28 yr old. Tray followed him back to the car to pick a fight for following him and got himself killed. The fact that reverend Al is involved proves Zimmerman will be found innocent, he is the most vile racist person on the planet who is a magnet to faux controversy.

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  • Anonymous 

April 6, 2012 at 8:24 am

Hill33
Realy so if he went back to the car how in the world was he shot 70 feet away from his car if Travon followed him and why was there no mark found on him why did he reject assistance from the meds but know its the meds had time to clean him up but he didnt go to the meds why did he not follow what the dispatch said don’t follow him the 911 tape show that he didnt stop but he went back to his car LMAO you will loose this conversation you do the math of the situation in your head did you forget that he was on the phone with his girlfriend they did not put this into evidence until recently why when its evidence come on keep it coming.

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  • Anonymous

April 6, 2012 at 9:29 pm

You should be his rep, cause you are okay with an overgrown man killing an unarmed teen. He made sure he was in contact with the 911 operator so he could cover his track. He thought that would get him off the hook, but self defense doesn’t work that frakin idiot. You burn in hell with George, you freakin cold ass racist bastards from a female dog. You are the moron, you weren’t there and a kid is dead; that is all I care about. This freakin George guy thought that he would get away with because he had the 911 operator on the phone. That was his dirty little cover. He will fry. I will be waiting to see it happen. I will have popcorn.

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  • Anonymous 

April 6, 2012 at 10:34 pm

Your nasty language says alot about who you are and it says that you are a worthless human being who doesn’t care about hurting someone else’s feelings. You don’t have a soul, thats probably why you are in favor of what Zimmerman did. What you said is cruel and you should take it back. Bash the killer not the innocent civillians, I’ve never killed anyone, have you?

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Sad situation

  1. 13.                         missbellenoire

George Zimmerman fled the state Of Florida according to his Lawyers. They can not contact him and he is not returning their phone calls or text messages. His probably hearing voices because he is paranoid about going to jail. The man has lost his damm mind.

  1. 14.                         Anonymous

opinions are like assholes everyones has one,only god can take care of him,his judgement day will come…

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